re: attn me114

Thank you for the kind words.

"I just have a short request, that you would repost very briefly what your ideas were regarding being able to hear God's 'voice' in a practical sense."


Okay.  You will need to put your 100% focus and attention on your every thought at all times.  If you forget, just start again.

You will want to ASK GOD, say, God please help me police my thoughts, and teach me to hear YOUR VOICE, God. Thank you, I believe that you are answering this prayer.

As you notice your thoughts, God will approach you, in the exact perfect way, for you, according to His Will.  So you will not want to have a preconceived notion about HOW God will approach you, so that you do not block the way that He desires to approach you, if His way is different from what you expect.

Just continue to police your thoughts.  Noticing what you think at all times.  And as you wait to notice anything from God, you can review to yourself, your own personality.  Treat it like a life review.

For example, the family has lima beans for dinner.  You think, I hate lima beans.  Okay, so notice that thought, and review that, according to your unique personality, your likes and dislikes, you just do not happen to like eating lima beans.  And that is okay.  This is just an example, of KNOWING YOUR SELF more.

As I have been explaining in many messages, each human being has a carnal-mind attached to his body at birth. This denial-mind can only think, and speak inside your mind, and 'pretend' to be you, if you allow it to, by agreeing with it's thoughts, as though they were actually you, thinking them.  So, you will want God to intervene, and SHOW YOU, the instances, where you have had a thought, that was not really you, as the one who thought it.

This denial-mind is an antichrist, which simply means that it lies 100% all the time, and it never, ever, tells the truth.  This carnal-mind is your only enemy.

I can not tell you how God will show you the difference between your voice in your mind, the voice of the carnal-mind, and God's voice, because each person is totally unique.  So, all you do, is believe and TRUST God, by faith, that He will help you.  He will help you and alert you to His help, in the ways that are perfect for you.

There is one HUGE HINT that I can give you. When you are close to, convincing your true self, that  you really do have a carnal-mind, thinking in your mind; when you are certain that this is true, it is at that moment that your carnal mind will act out, and act up, and reveal itself. Because you are so close to discovering it, it will try to stop you.  At that moment, ask God to help you by HIS HOLY SPIRIT.  WARNING!  YOU DO NOT TRY TO STOP the carnal mind in this crucial battle.  You can also say, JESUS HELP ME!  

One other smaller hint I can give you is, that as you are practicing policing your thoughts, you might hear your self think some thoughts that sound so unlike you, that you wonder, hey, was that me?  It is a good idea, to ask God, right then.  God, was that me?  An incident like this is an indication that you are getting closer to convincing your self that you do have a carnal mind, that is separate from the real you.

BTW, you will notice that this is a Search and Destroy mission, in which God comes in and saves you from your carnal mind, by working together WITH you.  The result is that you can hear God's voice for yourself and He can then take care of you, and teach you the truth, and by your own will, you will choose to cleanse all the lies you have learned from your carnal mind, off of your true self.

YOUR SOUL IS RESTORED.

For those who require a scripture, please ask God about these verses:


faith and obedience equals salvation
obedience and action equals sanctification
sanctification and grace equals glorification

meaning, God will transform you to be just like Jesus, living according to the 100% truth, at all times.

Here are some additional postings on this subject, from when I was discussing this issue on glp

Me114
ladynada
User ID: 71005
1/21/2007 4:32 AM

YOU HAVE TO PROVE ME114 WRONG !!!

I can tell you what 'might' happen if you police your thoughts 24/7 asking God to help you....

lets say.. you try it, and you are sincere.. you want to make SURE that Im wrong about you having a denial-mind attached to you. even if you say something like, God, if you ARE real, please help me discover this bad wolf thing if it exists, I am going to notice my every thought and see what this is all about...

so... lets say you try it for a while, and then, you know, you forget

but then, a day later, oh yea, you remember again, so you notice your thoughts again...

and then, oh well, ok, that night while waiting to fall asleep you really concentrate and notice your thoughts..

the next day.. you remember, so you are on it

ok..
so a week goes by and then. wait wait wait.. suddenly you have thought, you know, seems normal, you are thinking to yourself in your own voice, but, you just had a thought, that was a 'little' out of your character. you, know, um a little suspect... so, hey why not, you say, God are you there? was that me?

no answer..
hmmm...

ok ok ok

so anyways.. that was interesting.. you continue to notice your thoughts

then you have an unusual event happen in your life, and you are caught up in it, and do not notice your thoughts. But that night, before sleep, you review the event, because it was important that day. now, there it is again.. you just had a 'strange' thought. no, I mean, you had a thought, just now, that you know is not something you would say, regarding something to do with that event. its one of those, no thats not me, kind of thoughts. now THAT IS suspect. God, you there? then you hear yourself saying, no of course God is not there because (plug in your belief about God here). hmmmm... that was a quick retort....
for some reason.. you ask again. God, you there? what about that thought (you didnt forget why you asked)... then what ensues is this:

you have an ARGUMENT with yourself


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okay example over. now this example shows you what CAN possibly happen. that bad wolf does NOT want you to get God to help you DISCOVER its presence. and the CLOSER you get to discovering it, the more ERRATIC it will become. It will slip up, and you will notice it. God is actually helping you, but you may not be hearing Him clearly, YET

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now the reason I go through all this is simple. as many months as I have been telling GLP'ers about this bad wolf, not one person has even said that they have even STARTED to police their thoughts. you know what that tells me? that tells me how strong the bad wolf is, in people, generally speaking. You see, there is no legitimate EXCUSE for not policing your thoughts (asking God to help you) to PROVE ME WRONG.

Ive explained the bad wolf in a way that can obviously show everyone that IF TRUE it is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS - meaning the way it acts as an IMPOSTER in us means that its a GATEKEEPER to keep you from trying to ferret it out - THEREFORE - no one says to me, hey ME114 I tried policing my thoughts and you are full of Sh*t

see?

I didnt even get that response

so read this message again, and get to work, so you will be properly prepared to face the hard decisions that YOU KNOW are UPON US - you know, logically speaking, that if I am right about your bad wolf (each of us have it) that it will be deceiving you into making decisions designed to destroy your soul, no matter what you (think you) believe.

You HAVE TO PROVE ME WRONG

Me114
ladynada
User ID: 71005
1/21/2007 3:44 PM



what do you mean you cant prove a negative? I dont understand what you mean by that. if you police your thoughts, and you dont discover a bad wolf in you, then you would prove me wrong - right?

and its not a belief system. plenty of life philosophies teach people to 'quiet their minds' right? how about the old adages 'know thyself" and "to thine own self be true". people dont usually think of those things as belief systems, but more like 'mind cleanliness', like brushing your teeth and washing your behind. so, why not keep your mind clean from cluttering thoughts?

but what I ask is, prove me wrong, because if you add to all the above, asking God to help you discover this denial-mind, then you will be shocked to discover what has been causing all the trouble for mankind. you will understand that we cant blame it on the PTB and aliens or even God - this construct MAKES us RESPONSIBLE for the status of our own soul. The bad wolf does not force itself to control you - you CHOOSE to agree with its deceitful thoughts and make yourself into a satan.

Im alerting everyone to this FACT - yes I believe it is a FACT. Naturally if I believe it as a fact, then I am concerned for my fellow people that if they do not know about it, that alerting them will help them to help themselves (with God's help, because I know how INSIDIOUS this bad wolf is).

Me114
ladynada
User ID: 71005
1/21/2007 3:55 PM


what happens is, the more you hear God, He EXPLAINS to you about your habits you have developed from listening to the bad wolf, and then, as you agree with God's view, He empowers you to change, and you are no longer TEMPTED in that area anymore. Over time, you, the real you, gets stronger and stronger, and the bad wolf's influence and its attempts diminish more and more. The final step is God will Glorify you by His Grace- meaning its a free gift, you dont earn it. When that happens, you will be like Jesus was and do miraculous works. This is happening already, as I said in another post, I know of one person who has been set on fire by God inside... just got an email from her today, and she is still like that (its awesome)...

the point is... everyone was born with a clean soul and a clean spirit from God - no sin - yet everyone has agreed with this bad wolf since the age of accountablity, so you NEED God to cleanse those sins (forgive you of them) and to empower you to be conformed/transformed back to the original person you were born as.

It takes a person to be HUMBLE and admit, I messed up.. I didnt know about this thing tricking me - you got me God... hehehe.. you see, God set it up like this so that we NEED HIM to get out of this mess, so He can SAVE (salvage our souls) us. its a perfect plan.

its way easier to understand that ALL PEOPLE can come to God, and that HE DOES LOVE US ALL.. in other words again, HUMBLE ourselves and say... oh I see now how He did it.. and He got me too.. I did listen to this bad wolf and soiled my soul ... see.. its like God says ... GOTCHA. but understand that the GOTCHA is a perfect plan to SAVE YOU, and set it up so you can KNOW GOD now and forever, and be a Son of God. The liar tries to trick us and say you ARE GOD already - a HUGE LIE. Why seek to BE GOD, when being His KID is GOOD ENOUGH?!?!

so... Im telling you... let God help you with your bad wolf, and you are set for life - you get ALL the GOODIES!

I have been reading my replies to the other thread, and they should help people with questions:

   YOU HAVE TO PROVE ME114 WRONG !!!

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?messageid=332964&mpage=&showdate=

this reply is to a huge reply that basically said that man's will is inherently bad.  Below is my reply.
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I understand what you are saying. You have an error. It is NOT the human will or nature that is the problem. There IS a denial-mind construct attached to us at birth - and its destiny is to be destroyed by God. It is the one who tempts/deceives man into being anti-God.

You see, what you have said, is that man is flawed by nature - and you teach man to deny his true self, and to ask God to crucfiy his true self. This is WRONG - and because it is wrong, pursuing that will allow the bad wolf to continue to lead your soul to destruction.

okay, what you have said and what I have said are mutually exclusive. The bad wolf can lead a man to do exactly what you have said and DECEIVE the man into thinking he is saved - because you tell us that we were born no-good and we should believe in Jesus (what about those who havent heard of Jesus) and the Holy Spirit will help us to KILL OUR SELF.

no, the bad wolf's destiny is death already, and it is trying to deceive us into killing our self. The Holy Spirit will give us the discernment to be separate from the leading of the bad wolf, and the Holy Spirit cleanses us from the habits and thought patterns we have willfully accepted from the bad wolf's deceptions, by giving us the UNDERSTANDING of how we have been deceived. in this process, the real you chooses willingly to agree with the Holy Spirit and is gradually transformed into a man who is more and more like God the Father, and Jesus.

can you see the difference? the bad wolf will pretend to be a christian, pretend to be a good lightworker, or whatever it takes, as long as you dont KILL its influence over your soul - so as long as you do not REALIZE that the bad wolf is USURPING your personhood, then it can be a christian and still lead your soul to destruction -still reject God's attempts to alert you to the fact (like rejecting my message as wrong or not pertaining to you, for example).

you see, what you said requires some rules, and also some knowledge from the Bible or about the Gospel... all of which the bad wolf can USE over a person to keep them in bondage.

what Ive said, is let God show you this bad wolf, and discover God's love for you that He will protect you from its influence and help you clean up your habits and thought patterns that you have been tricked into adopting, and help you choose willingly to be more like God. This process is what makes it REAL for you.

ironically, your process is something that man does by his own will, and it will not work. The process Im talking about is done by GOD and it works every time.

the main flaw in your strategy is that you say man is inherently messed up. he is not, and how could he be? God gives the breathe of life; man's spirit, which when inhabited in a body, produces a nice clean and pure soul; man's unique personality (which is what God wants to save as His own Child). now, after the age of accountability, this man chooses by his own free will to say or do something that is anti-God, one sin, now the man's soul is soiled. that soiled man, under the influence of the bad wolf that he does NOT know he has, can not then SAVE HIMSELF - which is what you are actually promoting.

I know its hard to see for christians. christians have to let God defeat the bad wolf in them too - thats the PRECISE part IN the flesh that the bible is talking about crucifying - which is this DENIAL-MIND construct. It is NOT the physical body. it is Not the will of man. God wants you to do YOUR WILL - you are UNIQUE. We are not to kill our own wills. Our will disagrees with God when we listen to and obey the bad wolf. Our will AGREES with God when listen to and obey the Spirit. We are in the MIDDLE - does that help you understand? There is nothing inherently WRONG with us - except the sin or anti-Godness we have glommed onto ourselves from being deceived by the bad wolf which makes our self become soiled, anti-God, satanic.

okay... so bottom line, to you, I am saying, yes you do follow the Holy Spirit, but MAKE SURE it is REALLY YOU that is following the Holy Spirit, and not your bad wolf pretending to be you. see the difference? because if it is your bad wolf, tricking you, then you are still obeying the bad wolf, and you are NOT SAVED. I know its hard... this is how subtle and insidious the bad wolf is. Notice I keep mentioning that it IMPERSONATES the real you; it speaks in your mind with YOUR VOICE... in my initial example on this thread, I showed how, with God's help, the bad wolf will trip itself up and let you NOTICE that it is speaking SEPARATELY from you, AND IS NOT THE REAL YOU.

I hope this helps christians understand how the bad wolf can deceive you into thinking you are a spirit led, spirit filled, saved christian, when if you OBEY the wolf in you, you are not saved.

I am sorry for leaving out the huge messages that I am replying to, but my reply indicates what was in contention:  Here is another of my replies:

I understand what you are saying. The glimpse of glorification that you described is exactly what we will get by God's Grace; we can do nothing to earn it or make it happen.

I believe that you and I have narrowed down our contention to one single point, which is the question of whether human beings are born as sinners or do they all sin at least once, once they reach the age of accountability.

You say that Adam's fall brought us a sinful nature in the physical. I am saying Adam's fall gave the Adversary the right to attach a denial-mind to all, born of Adam. This denial mind is attached to the flesh, but is not a physical thing. It is a MIND - it thinks and speaks - LIES.

I think it does make a difference which one of us is right. The truth is the truth, so the truth makes a huge difference over a lie about the same issue.

I think one key to solving our dispute is to focus on the 'will' of man, because you include man's will as being part of this sinful nature that he is born with in the womb. My take on it, is that man's will is not sinful, and that God does NOT want man to kill his own will.

If we can take a step back and ask the hypothetical question that if a man were to hear God all his life, and let's say, AGREE with God on every thought, word and action, then you have a perfect description of Jesus of Nazareth. Now if you look at that man, you will notice that the 'will' of that man was not sinful. He CHOSE to agree with God, making his personal will in agreement with God's perfect will for his life and his life's destiny. This means that Jesus was his true self, as a man.

Now step back again and look at this man. This man is not false to him-self. He has not believed not even one single lie. He is not deceived in any fashion whatsoever. He has not thought a thought that is based on a lie, not said a word based on a lie, and not done any action based on a lie.

All these things is what makes this man perfect - yet his will was NOT inherently sinful. His flesh was not inherently sinful - meaning his physical body. All he did, was RESIST SIN - chose NOT to believe any lies whispered by this denial-MIND construct that he inherited from ADAM through MARY His mother.

Right? The Bible says Jesus was tempted in all points as man, but did not SIN.

So, as you see from my example, it DOES make a difference IF the so-called sinful nature of man is REALLY a DENIAL-MIND construct attached to his flesh which he inherited from Adam who gave that right to the Adversary in the fall. It makes a difference, because now people can understand that it is NOT them that was a sinner, yet it IS them who CHOSE to SIN by believing the lies of this denial-mind. You see, now, people can understand PRECISELY what sin is, and ADMIT to themselves, oh yea.. I was tricked, and too late, I did some sin. okay, now I DO need God's help.

This is the whole reason why many people do NOT think of themselves as sinners. Because deep down, the truth is, they were not born sinners, and they do not know what sin is, which is believing LIES and speaking and acting on LIES.

When you make the two ends of the measurement stick, THE TRUTH, and THE LIES, then people can see, whoa wait a minute, there IS NO GREY AREA. Right?


Jesus said I am the TRUTH, the WAY, and the LIFE. Now it seems more reasonable to understand what God means when He says He is Holy, and says to us, BE YE HOLY. All it means is, conduct yourself according to the TRUTH, as God DOES. People can understand that, conducting yourself according to LIES, is....

STUPID

People do not like to be stupid. As we have been on this world, now that we all know that we have been lied to by the powers that be.

God says in the Bible, come let us reason together, though your sins be as scarlet, He will make you white as snow. This means, God says, look, come to ME, and I will EXPLAIN it to you, so you understand why you messed up, that you were deceived, and acting stupid cuz of the lies you were believing. Come to ME with those errors you made and I will forgive them and give you the truths you need about those areas, so that you can conduct yourself according to truth and be Holy like Me. THUS - the man's will is in alignment with God's will, AND the man's will is STILL FREE WILL - THEREFORE the man's will was NOT inherently sinful, and to teach that as truth means you are teaching a LIE about man's will.

Tell me, if this dissertation has proved my position that the will of man is NOT inherently sinful, nor is man born as a sinner in the womb. That is NOT TRUE, and to teach that, is to teach a LIE - which is - A SIN, and hurts people striving to conduct themselves according to the truth (with God's grace in Christ).



God applies the blood of Jesus Christ to ANY person who hears God, is taught by God, and learns (obeys and changes) from God.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?page=4&messageid=332964&showdate=3/2/07&mpage=1

Re: YOU HAVE TO PROVE ME114 WRONG !!!

reply to Anonymous Coward 1557

I think you and I have to agree to disagree.

God looks at the heart - and only He determines who is saved and who is not.

I am saying that God revealed to me that everyone has this bad-wolf attached to their flesh, and that it is a denial-mind that thinks and speaks in the person's own voice and tricks the person into making their soul just like it - an antichrist.

This fact, reveals to all, that they have, by their own free will, chosen to speak and/or act in an anti-God way, at least once, thus soiling their soul and that they NEED GOD to salvage their soul. Thus, people can admit they are sinners because they better UNDERSTAND what happened, that God allowed this set up, to TRAP THEM so that HE could save them, and they can get help from GOD through Jesus Christ and be saved. They ALSO, can learn FROM GOD, how to HEAR HIS VOICE, now and for eternity. Also, they can compare this whole process to that being EXACTLY what Jesus the Man from Nazareth did, in OBEDIENCE to God's VOICE, to become our substitute sacrifice for our sins, because He did not speak or act in an anti-God way, although HE TOO was tempted by this denial-mind construct.

So, now with this PRECISE TRUTH about what has been happening to the human race, people, because they UNDERSTAND, can, by their own free will, persuade themselves to seek God for cleansing of sins (which they need) and help to RESIST sin (which they need), and power to become just like Jesus, which they would happily desire now knowing that it is indeed possible and is God's plan.

Now they know, that yes, GOD really does love them. They know, now, that people have been lying about God.

Also, because they can now hear God's voice and OBEY His leading in their lives, they can now fullfill their unique destiny that God planned for them all along. They can see it unfold in their lives. They can bear fruit for God, and gain rewards in Heaven, crowns of righteousness, clean garments - they dont have to enter the Kingdom naked because they were lazy and only have hay and stubble because they did not obey God's leading in their lives, even though they did believe unto salvation.

They can witness more effectively for the truth because God tells them what they should say, that is exactly what the other person needs to hear; instead of spewing the same ole same ole that most who have heard it before have already rejected.

signs and wonders will follow them, because they OBEY God's voice, they will lay hands on the sick and they will recover, they will cast out demons, raise the dead, the lame will walk, the blind see.

They will do greater works than Jesus did, because they will have a double annointing, the former and latter rain together - ALL THIS BECAUSE OF OBEDIENCE TO GOD'S VOICE JUST LIKE JESUS.

So...

compare all that to what you offer.....


you offer words in a book - you tell them they are sinners, and all they have to do is believe these words by faith, its already all done - say these magic words, believe them in your heart and you are all set - you have your ticket to the kingdom of heaven. To hell with everyone else who rejects it - you can tell others the same thing that you were told and if they reject it, too bad, they are lost. they are new-age, or witches, or muslims, or satanists, or not the chosen. tough. you sinner you.

okay, so I made that rough on purpose.. this is how most 'intelligent' people perceive what christians spew out to them.

Compare that to the discovery that GOD REVEALED to me, which I am sharing here to everyone about this denial-mind construct. Dont dismiss the little tract I posted from the Gnostics - of course I do not know the source - yet it describes this counterfeiting spirit PRECISELY. But christians cant read anything unless it is in the bible - you know why? afraid of being deceived.. you know why? dont trust God. why? their denial-mind is tricking them.

God says my people perish for a lack of knowledge. Now, once you have the knowledge that this denial-mind exists, because someone is telling you ( like me ) then it is up to you what you do with it.

If you ask God to help you police your thoughts, then God will lead you to Christ's salvation and eternal life.


You will end up being OBEDIENT to God, which is what He wants, by your own free will - God will make your will in line with His will - thus you are finally totally free in Christ. Think about it. God teaches you personally - your will comes to conform with His way of speaking and doing things based on the truth. You do not lose your free will! You actually get it back. You get it back from giving it over to the denial-mind. see? You always have your free will, and it is NOT sinful by nature. You choose to sin or not. If you obey the denial mind, you choose to sin. If you obey God, you choose not to sin. God trains you, so that your will is not sinful.

So, yes AC 1557 is right, when you say it is finished in Christ. Yes it is all done by God. But you miss the key, which is OBEDIENCE. When you FAIL to OBEY, because you love God, He points it out to you (Holy Spirit conviction) you LISTEN, change your mind about it (repent), confess it, yes I did/or spoke that, and CHOOSE not to respond that way anymore. He cleanses you, and you go on; there is no condemnation in Christ. You are free. This is how you live a christian life.

You do not say, ok the bible says this, so okay I better not do that anymore. And then the next time; whoops.. ok I confess, I wont do that again. Then something else comes up.. later on, whoa I missed that..ummm.. well I know I am saved, Jesus did it all, its done. Im okay.

What is all that? that is YOUR righteousness. God has nothing to do with that. You have no power to stop sinning without His help. He gives you the power by EXPLAINING his ways to you, so that you willfully change your mind, you look at it as He explained it, and say, Heh that was stupid huh God? Now, you have the power, from God, to resist. See, how that process turns it over to and through God each time? God authors the righteousness, AND MAKES it yours too. You can not author it yourself ONLY, or it is filthy rags and you are disobedient and listening to yourself and/or your denial mind.

Honestly, this is why the christian church has no power in this world.


One last thing. If what I am sharing is the TRUTH - then doesnt it totally make sense? And wouldnt it make sense that God would want to reveal this to people so that more people would CHOOSE HIM? Especially in these days and times when more and more people are wondering about whether all this God and Jesus stuff is true, because they see the world is so messed up that there is no future?