A question was asked on Godlike Productions about Revelation chapter 21 and verse 8.
Here is my reply:

it means that the carnal mind will be destroyed. it is the carnal mind, through LIES that deceives people into agreeing with its ways and they then, by their own will, make themselves 100% the same as the carnal mind... when they do that, they destroy themselves with it.

thats why the last one on the list, is those that LOVE A LIE

if you used the kjv translation I think it says it like that

you gotta be a lover of the truth and an overcomer

if you focus on those two things, while asking God to help you, then He will come in and straighten your behind out and get you the victory over the influence of your carnal mind

Jesus overcame "the world"

the world is the mindset of the carnal mind, and it is based on LIES

you can narrow the gospel down to these concepts and better understand why ANYONE who makes themselves agree with the lies of the carnal mind, can not be saved

they would pollute the new creation because they do not believe the truth that is its foundation

they uncreate themselves - bottom line

if you want to go deeper into a philosophical understanding... for existence to exist, then non-existence has to exist, however, God can not go there, so someone else has to create non-existence - and it is created by those who were never meant to exist

those who were never meant to exist are not people as we know it, like human beings.. no, they are evil-mind-beings that broke off from God due to their false pride at being a part of God - they want to be God, they think they are God and they oppose the truth - why?

because, again, GOD NEEDS them to exist so that they can go into non-existence

do you see the circular logic?

It all fits... you see the description of the second death, the weeping and gnashing of teeth, etc, are all to convey the idea, hey, you dont want to go there, but they are not accurate descriptions of non-existence, BECAUSE, God can not and will NEVER go to non-existence to see what it is like there - you DO understand that? If He did, then we would all be undone... so God has to stay in EXISTENCE, but HE does NEED non-existence to exist! so, because God always gets exactly what He needs (which is His heart daughter attribute), non-existence must come into existence, so these LYING beings broke off from God...

they are the source of all LIES, all EVIL, all DEATH, and all non-existence.

the whole point of Jesus coming to save us is to make available the existence (true Life) that is in God so that we can identify with Him by faith and be saved from the destruction of the evil-mind-beings.

the evil-mind-beings want to destroy everything, even God. they are insane. they have attached a lying mind to every human, called the carnal mind, all it does is lie to you your whole life, whispering in your mind in your own voice, deceiving you into choosing by your own free will to become evil just like the evil-mind-beings. they use this mind construct in us to make children for themselves.

God says, put the mind of Christ in you and He will make you His children.

see?

its very simple, but only God can help us understand the truth and get free, so simply, CALL OUT TO GOD TO HELP YOU.

thats easy! you have to humble your self to ask God to help you. only your carnal mind will try to convince you that you should not call out to God. the battle within you is between the real you and the carnal mind. Ask God to help you with your thought life 24/7 !

search on "carnal mind" on my forum and/or blog for more info, and a 9 minute audio about it. search google on "evil-mind-beings" for more on them

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lastly God is the only barrier between us and non-existence, He is a consuming Fire, He is that Fire, and the Fire, for us, is meant to BURN OFF the carnal mind, and save whats left over.. if you make yourself 100% the same as the carnal mind, then by your own free will, you would have NOTHING left over... to be saved, what you do have as your true self must choose to ACCEPT the whole new self offered in Jesus Christ of Nazareth. that is where the new agers have been deceived, because they are taught that Jesus is not THE ONLY SAVIOR, when in fact, HE IS.

I am even persecuted by Christians and told that I am a new ager for hanging out with them in my earlier years to learn about the evil-mind-beings (their channellings) so that I was prepared, by God, to write, even this message today!

to really answer your question succinctly, people who call themselves christians who still obey their carnal minds are NOT SAVED... they may be through the trials coming, and/or through the FIRE that will burn off their carnal minds...
they have been disobedient to God's voice in their minds, which daily gives them commandments to obey to help them put on the mind of Christ- instead they choose to do their own thing - obeying the carnal mind and making themselves into antichrists

the carnal mind is the antichrist

I just remembered something else from the Bible that can help you understand.

There is a section that talks about a potter and some clay, the potter makes a vessel, but after it is finished he notices a defect, so he makes another one

you are the first vessel to hold the life of God, but the defect is the carnal mind put on your body by the evil-mind-beings through Adam's disobedience. so the potter, God, made another vessel, Himself as His Son. You need His Son's vessel to put your unique free will personality into, to be saved.

the old vessel has to be destroyed.

God is not trying to kill anybody or leave anyone out! that is a lie

thats why overcomers are people who loved not their own lives even unto death - that is, they understand this old vessel must be destroyed and that their real selves are saved in Christ through their faith and obedience to His Will via God's voice through the Holy Spirit

in other words, if you call on God He will EQUIP you with all you need, to overcome the carnal mind in you, and be saved

elsewhere in the Bible God says can the clay tell the potter what to do? can an axe tell the person swinging it what to do? you have to humble yourself to your Maker who is God. only the carnal mind has PRIDE against God, it is TRICKING YOU!

sadly the evil and disobedient 'christians' will not let me post about the carnal mind and the evil mind beings on their forums where they have banned me

the Holy Spirit says, "they need to repent!"