please go read this long essay, explains the truth

Who Is A Jew?

http://vhdirector.wordpress.com/2007/08/03/who-is-a-jew/

Are we forgetting the hebrew. They are the jew they live by the old covenant promises. They are held in the promises just as their Father Abraham to whom the promise was given. God has not forgotten the jewish people He has always been a covenant keeping God.

eaglewise

I have read an interesting teavhing on this that I need to consider.

http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Sermons/ByDate/2002/114_Gods_Word_Stands_Not_All_Israel_is_Israel_Part_1/

good link, yes that explains it too.

the reason it has been hard for us to let go of the lie about natural israel is because it has been used against us for centuries.

the truth feels great!

nada

At this point I consider Kenneth Copeland to be a sort of spiritual father. Kenneth Copeland to my knowledge is an associate of Hagee and a partner in his jewish outreach. So you can appreciate my time.

eaglewise
In The Air

hagee is bad news.

copeland.. well.. best to ask God on him, in my opinion.

the way to ask God is to ask what the seed is that comes from the person.

we cannot use our own discernment, like saying, well his doctrine seems 100%.  God knows what kind of seed the person puts out, and thats what kind of fruit will be born.. is it born of God, or of the person's flesh?  only God can answer that for us.

hagee I am certain his seed is bad

I have not sought the Lord on copeland

love you!
nada

1 John 2
22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 
23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

THANK YOU EAGLEWISE - the natural descendants of Abraham will also be God's focus as the kingdom will be restored TO THEM, first.

good post!
love,
glenda